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From: Kathy J at jk-joyal@shaw.ca
Date: 20 Jul 2004
Time: 03:05:45
Remote Name: 24.64.223.203
There is a lady in the Vancouver area named Jeanette McCall who has a product that she has made that sounds what you are looking for. And I have used it and it does work well. She also has a black piping and I have Bought it but haven't used it yet. Her link is http://www.pipinglady.com Hope this helps.